Well I'm not trying to dog pile here but it concerns me that you do not know and/or recognize fundamental industry standard terminology with regards to wargaming/tabletop roleplaying/computer roleplaying.

Pete

Quote from: jibbajibba;596553Ben I think he has answerd it pretty clearly....
They haven't published anythign as yet.

Okay. I honest-to-God didn't get that.

Quote from: pspahn;596556Well I'm not trying to dog pile here but it concerns me that you do not know and/or recognize fundamental industry standard terminology with regards to wargaming/tabletop roleplaying/computer roleplaying.

Pete

I think that when you present your organization as a professional means for editing, game design and the like, and you are intent on having people come to the table with their ideas (that then apparently other "senior" members will fuck around with), with possible actual monetary contributions involved, you should show your work.

And by "showing your work", I don't mean subjecting us to some word salad with bungaboo membership level titles and the like. I mean actual numbers, achievements, a solid, clear presentation, etc.

So far, the numbers thrown around on this thread seem way off compared to actual Tabletop RPG standards sans Paizo/WotC, the organization turns out to not have published anything yet, doesn't seem to have meaningful credits of its own to actually show that there's this brilliant team of guys out there that can turn lead into gold, water into wine, and make $100,000 on some RPG title. I mean, let's be serious here: this is not let's pretend. If you're talking about actual work and business, you shouldn't expect people not to ask hard questions. This isn't being a bully or dog piling or whatever: it's laying out the cards on the table so people can make informed decisions from there as to whether they want to support this venture with their time, efforts, and money, or not.

SRPG is a published title, and available commercially as a download, with a printed book available in 1-to-3 weeks. Open playtest versions of three other systems are also available, and 'Shiftverse' is slated for publication by March.

We do not advocate publication by any means until the product is proven in the following ways:

• In-Group Playtests run by the author, with other GM as players.
  
• In-Group Playtests run by the author, with anyone playing.
  
• In-Group Playtests run my another GM in the group, with the author present.
  
• In-Group Playtests run by another GM without the author present.
  
• Outside Playtests

The process can take a long time, but produces a superior product by working out major flaws and problems with storytellers and players understanding the copy in the presentation.

Is that clear enough?

Before you count how much we've published, consider that a group of collaborators, who only met each-other through the Guild are now actively working cooperatively on the products and ideas of each-other, without being paid, in exchange for the same work being done on their projects, or for the enjoyment of trying new systems, which shows that the premise of cooperative writing and editing works.

Nobody presenting a concept is required to accept changes or suggestions presented by anyone in the hierarchy. That is their decision, and most suggestions come via playtesting basis, and those initially rejected by the author may be reconsidered if they present problems in play, such as the 'faith' issue in 'Epiphany'.

You are perfectly welcome to wait to see performance of products before making any decisions, either to join or to participate. This isn't an attempt to get everyone possible involved, it's to discuss the premise, and see who believes it is a good idea.

In the same tone, please don't mock the idea merely because it's new. One of the members here already joined and is interested in a review copy of SRPG, which we will send to hm to examine at no charge. He asks good questions, and seems genuinely interested. Frankly, you're not presenting critique in an objective manner.

In the end, this is the kind of order that you get as much as you want, or as little as you want out of it, but the amount of help and support you receive is based on your level of participation.

Again, the amount we ask returned to is is based on how much work and contribution goes into a finished product. If you reject all suggestions, leave, and publish anyway with an unchanged product, then that is your choice.

If you want to examine what we have published or what we're actively doing, join the BBS (which is free), and ask about them. This thread isn't designed to flog each project, available or not. Advert threads will do that, as they are available for purchase, review, or outside playtesting, in the correct boards.

I also have samples of other written-materials that I have, myself, produced commercially that I can send you, should you request them, except those that I have ghostwritten for other authors, as those are covered by NDAs. (X|S)

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Quote from: Benoist;596558Okay. I honest-to-God didn't get that.


I think that when you present your organization as a professional means for editing, game design and the like, and you are intent on having people come to the table with their ideas (that then apparently other "senior" members will fuck around with), with possible actual monetary contributions involved, you should show your work.

And by "showing your work", I don't mean subjecting us to some word salad with bungaboo membership level titles and the like. I mean actual numbers, achievements, a solid, clear presentation, etc.

So far, the numbers thrown around on this thread seem way off compared to actual Tabletop RPG standards sans Paizo/WotC, the organization turns out to not have published anything yet, doesn't seem to have meaningful credits of its own to actually show that there's this brilliant team of guys out there that can turn lead into gold, water into wine, and make $100,000 on some RPG title. I mean, let's be serious here: this is not let's pretend. If you're talking about actual work and business, you shouldn't expect people not to ask hard questions. This isn't being a bully or dog piling or whatever: it's laying out the cards on the table so people can make informed decisions from there as to whether they want to support this venture with their time, efforts, and money, or not.

Quote from: MagesGuild;595838True, but this is my style for communication of any sort. I prefer to articulate my responses, and to select my words with care. if you do not enjoy reading, you are welcome not to read anything longer than whatever length you have fixed as your point of 'losing interest'.

I'm not being paid by the word, or by the page, to edit the materials that our members toss at me either, and honestly, I don't believe in 'blog' format writing, if you can call it writing, in any case. Frankly, if all you have to contribute to a thread is to complain about the length of a reply, then why bother responding at all? (X|S)

Because I take it that you're offering some sort of editing service?

Sorry for the long break and silence: I've been moving about a great deal during the last six months topped with a great pile of grueling work. I never intended to leave this thread hanging; the Guild is not dead or dormant, despite my own inactivity.

I've had my hands full with three writing projects, and I let my presence here slip, partly due to a horrible Internet connection via my mobile. (Stationary options are limited with extensive travel.)

I'm partly reviving this thread in the process of coming back to inquire if any of the members here would be interested in a (complimentary) version of SRPG to play to send feedback before a final printing. I was supposed to do a print run back in December, that I halted due to my schedule conflicting with finishing the cover artwork.)

I'll happily give a free download link (via DriveThruRPG) to anyone interested in reading it, playing it, or reviewing it so that I can get opinions from you folks. I would also like to have some volunteer groups play it on our BBS: You can be anywhere in the world and easily join in.

I think the system plays well on-line, and it has proven to do so thus far with our existing members, so I think a broadening of circles is in order.

I am at present editing a system by another author--an extensive project--, and I will try to check in as often as possible. Again, I offer my sincere apologies for my seemingly, overnight, absentia.

Welcome back dude, where is your BBS? Haven't heard that term in a quarter-century.