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A simple theory of design.

Started by Levi Kornelsen, December 18, 2006, 12:52:50 AM

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Erik Boielle

Quote from: TonyLBSo I made sure they secured a technology that would let them do virtual seances with the dead people that the bodyguard shot, and all was well.  It wasn't (at least in that case) so much "I don't want you shooting people," it was "Hey, man, after you shoot them it's really hard for me to do the fun things I want to do with them."  Fix it so both of them could have their fun, and nobody had any further problems.  I mean, except for all the NPCs being shot, but they're fictional so screw 'em :D

Yeah - this is the way to do it. The bad way is:-

http://www.strike-to-stun.com/board/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1985&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

(Are those WFRP Swine or the worst example of conservative gamers who really should be writing novels if they don't want players poluting their idea of the setting with their nasty grubby hands?)
Hither came Conan, the Cimmerian, black-haired, sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandalled feet.

Blackleaf

QuoteAre those WFRP Swine or the worst example of conservative gamers who really should be writing novels if they don't want players poluting their idea of the setting with their nasty grubby hands?

Can you give any context around this?  Do you mean they're conservative because the guy was talking about trying to balance out the Wardancers compared to the other classes/races?

Erik Boielle

Quote from: StuartCan you give any context around this?  Do you mean they're conservative because the guy was talking about trying to balance out the Wardancers compared to the other classes/races?

Well, comments like:-

QuoteI absolutely agree. In fact, anything which tends towards humanising one of the alien races in WFRP is guaranteed to get me up on my soap box, and looking for an excuse to nerf it.

QuoteI've been teaching roleplaying to these kids for years, and the tendency is, that when the kids are 13 they all want to play Legolas. If I hadn't any restrictions I would have had groups with 5 Legolas' for elves, hobbits for halflings and Gimli in a sleightly more unhygienic version for dwarves.

Quotethe mystique and special behaviour of the other races are most commonly lost, when played by Noob players.

definatly show the terrible trend to concentrate on avoiding the Wrong Kind Of Fun instead of enabling better play - the Swine raison d’ĂȘtre, and a feature of both Forge Swine and Conservative Swine.
Hither came Conan, the Cimmerian, black-haired, sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandalled feet.

Blackleaf

Ok, yes -- I totally agree with you then. If it was about making sure the various players classes / races were balanced in game terms, that's one thing.  If you have a bunch of kids wanting to emulate their favourite character in a movie -- why not just let them?

Quote"the mystique and special behaviour of the other races are most commonly lost, when played by Noob players."

That bothers me a lot.  The idea that only when you've payed your dues or proven your "ability" to the GM are you allowed to play the "special" characters / races.  If they're in the game -- people should be able to play them.  If you really don't like a certain race or class (eg. Half-Dragons), take them out of your game.