Quote from: SettembriniWow, Paka has some real idiots as friends, who don´t even know about 99% of Sci-Fi gaming.
Pathetic bunch of D&D bashers also.

Sett, youre an arrogant asshole. You proved that with your pity comment.

Just shut up and accept that some people play rpgs differently from you.

Huh?!
Have you read the blog entry?

They don´t know what they are talking about, and are mindlessly bashing D&D and SciFi gaming.
Who is intolerant?

I can live with people playing BW, I don´t care, I don´t mock them. But THEY are disrespectful about my hobby all the while not even understanding it.

Quote from: TempleSett, youre an arrogant asshole. You proved that with your pity comment.

How so, BTW?

Quote from: TempleSett, youre an arrogant asshole. You proved that with your pity comment.

Just shut up and accept that some people play rpgs differently from you.

I dont think that the idea that people play roleplaying games differently is news to anyone here or elsewhere. It's just a fact of life.

And personally I'm heartened by hearing a forgie upset at "arrogant assholes". They've had the corner on that market for a long time, so this is good. If we can make 'arrogant asshole' like... the worst thing you can be? That's pretty much the end of the forgies right there.

Pity isn't the worst thing a person can feel. The ability to feel pity for someone worse off than yourself is an admirable human trait. I for example, feel pity for anyone who is forced to roleplay 'over the phone' or 'only at conventions'.  I see such people as having screwed themselves completely out of the hobby.

When such people insist on clinging to the hobby not for the gaming itself (other than in a vague supremacist ideological way), but rather because it is perhaps the only socialization they have.. I think it's unfortunate. I think it's sad. I think it's regrettable. I think it is.. a pity.

In other news.. SHADOW GEN CON! For people who don't belong at the REAL GEN CON!

BTW, I´m indeed arrogant in regards to the stupid. But that´s got nothing to do with the games.

I know many Thematic gamers I respect, because they know other styles of play and have made educated decisions on the games they play, instead of being tools of the hip-crowd. And they are not mocking mainstream gaming in really pathetic ways like the linked idiots did.

With people who don´t know how and why a sun is to be statted, who don´t know what stats are even for, there can be no dialogue. I know their aims and terminology, and I can respect them, but they don´t know mine. Only happens my hobby is based on the mainstream. So they are the ignorant ones.

And for that, indeed I have only arrogant contempt. How else react to wiseasses who don´t actually know what they are talking about?

Quote from: SettembriniThey don´t know what they are talking about, and are mindlessly bashing D&D and SciFi gaming.

As far as I can tell, they are only mocking the attitude that everything in a setting should be quantified in terms of the mechanics and statted out in advance. What exactly in that entry or the commentary on it counts as "bashing D&D"? It can't be just the suggestion that the sun might be considered a fire elemental, because that's a perfectly valid concept for a fantasy game: I've even toyed with something rather similar for a world called "Sandremeer".

Quote from: SettembriniHow so, BTW?

Well, pity is reserved for those beneath you. So, by pitying me for thinking that a spaceship can be color (which is a very weird thing to do, btw), you are basically claiming that the fact that you believe that spaceships should be statted out makes you better than me.

Which, frankly, is laughable.

Quote from: SettembriniWith people who don´t know how and why a sun is to be statted, who don´t know what stats are even for, there can be no dialogue. I know their aims and terminology, and I can respect them, but they don´t know mine. Only happens my hobby is based on the mainstream. So they are the ignorant ones.

What? These sentences dont even mean anything!

Also, I dont think you should be talking too loudly about being a tool..

EDIT: Grim,

Why do you say "only"?
Their mocking shows they do not understand why a sun could be statted. that´s ignorance in action.

And if a sun is only colour in a game, that´s a loss of dimensions of fun.

And I pity everyone who doesn´t even know this dimension that he is missing.
Now, that would not make me angry, because there is always stuff you don´t know. It´s not a shame.
But mocking others who do something you don´t understand?

That´s pathetic.

Quote from: TempleWhat? These sentences dont even mean anything!

Also, I dont think you should be talking too loudly about being a tool..

What is the problem?
Which part is difficult to understand?

Quote from: SettembriniAnd I pity everyone who doesn´t even know this dimension that he is missing.
Now, that would not make me angry, because there is always stuff you don´t know. It´s not a shame.
But mocking others who do something you don´t understand?

That´s pathetic.

Which should basically make you pathetic, right? Because you havent actually demonstrated any understanding of the concepts you are so loudly decrying...

I still dont see how this quote can be a justification for claiming to pity people who think a spaceship in a roleplaying game can be handled as color, instead of being fully statted out and a mechanical piece of the gameworld.

Until you explain this to me, Im afraid I will continue to think you an inflamatory troll asshole (as if that affects you; I mean, big whoop, some random internet dude doesnt like you. ).
Because I can understand the argument in this statement, but in relation to the statements youve made in the past it makes no sense.

Quote from: TempleWell, pity is reserved for those beneath you. So, by pitying me for thinking that a spaceship can be color (which is a very weird thing to do, btw), you are basically claiming that the fact that you believe that spaceships should be statted out makes you better than me.

I´m not pitying anybody for him thinking a spaceship CAN be colour.
I pity those who thinky spaceships ARE colour.

And I especially (that´s where it started) pity those who can only see "colour" in the Millenium Falcon. They are crippled in their enjoyment of Star Wars.
Which makes me sad.

Actually what is even more sad are those who only see the "story" of Star Wars, and still like it. They must be terribly stupid and lacking in taste.
The story in Star Wars, my ass.

But that´s another thread.

Quote from: SettembriniTheir mocking shows they do not understand why a sun could be statted. that´s ignorance in action.

And if a sun is only colour in a game, that´s a loss of dimensions of fun.

Hmm. I've seen PCs talk to and later fight against the Sun at a time when she was the prime suspect in a murderous conspiracy. That's the sort of a situation that might call for mechanics in my games. Mostly, though, that big ball o' fire in the skies doesn't really require anything by way of stats, and assigning numerical values to its various properties beforehand would seem a tad unnecessary.

Quote from: SettembriniWhat is the problem?
Which part is difficult to understand?

Nevermind, a third reading made it clear to me. I still dont agree with your reasoning though.

Quote from: TempleWhich should basically make you pathetic, right? Because you havent actually demonstrated any understanding of the concepts you are so loudly decrying...

I still dont see how this quote can be a justification for claiming to pity people who think a spaceship in a roleplaying game can be handled as color, instead of being fully statted out and a mechanical piece of the gameworld.

Until you explain this to me, Im afraid I will continue to think you an inflamatory troll asshole (as if that affects you; I mean, big whoop, some random internet dude doesnt like you. ).
Because I can understand the argument in this statement, but in relation to the statements youve made in the past it makes no sense.

Proof that you don´t understand what is talked about here. Or that I´m hard to understand, sorry for that if that is the case.

Let´s take a different route:
Have you played Traveller?