Color as Rules

Abyssal Maw · August 09, 2007, 12:35:38 PM

Quote from: TempleWhat the flying fuck?

"Accept that Im ignorant of a huge portion of gaming?" Youre a dick. I mean it, youre a huge fucking dick.

Posts like this are what proves to me that you are actually if not completely moronic then atleast severely emotionally unbalanced.

Why is it so important for you to elevate your own intelligence at the expense of others? Why do you have to place people in an "ignorant" category in order to feel secure and comfortable?

You sad, sad person.

You prove your ignorance with every post you make on this subject, and your futile attempts at shifting this ignorance on others is not only pathetic, its sad.

It seems obvious that you have limited experience with this. You were saying it yourself several posts ago. Why are you so offended?

It isn't about the intelligence you lack, it's about the experience you lack.

Temple · August 09, 2007, 12:36:20 PM

Quote from: SettembriniHuh?

Why get angry?

You just posted that you don´t understand our fun.

YOU said that. Not me.

No superiority here, Temple. Just an experience that you lack. And admitted lacking. That´s okay!

I never bungee´d.
I´m not a worse person because of that.

I would, if I mocked bungee jumpers.
But I don´t mock them.
I´m sure it´s a blast.

Ok, I apologise for that outburst, and attribute the misunderstanding to mutual language barrier problem.

I get what your saying. You should, however, be aware that the word "ignorant" carries with is some pretty hefty baggage. Its an insulting word, and I suggest you avoid it in the future.

Now, as Ive said, I used to game like that, the very way you describe. So I DO know why some people want that in their games. Please stop claiming that I dont because I do.

Abyssal Maw · August 09, 2007, 12:36:45 PM

Quote from: TempleThis is bullshit. You dont get to define what is a game or not.

You people are fucking worse than the people you call "Swine."

Sure I do. And I am here to tell you, romantic campfire circles, improv theater, and mad libs aren't games. They are what they are.

Temple · August 09, 2007, 12:37:29 PM

Quote from: Abyssal MawIt seems obvious that you have limited experience with this. You were saying it yourself several posts ago. Why are you so offended?

It isn't about the intelligence you lack, it's about the experience you lack.

As I said, I took offense at the usage of the sapecific word "ignorant," which carries with it an assload of offensive meaning.

Temple · August 09, 2007, 12:38:56 PM

Quote from: Abyssal MawSure I do. And I am here to tell you, romantic campfire circles, improv theater, and mad libs aren't games. They are what they are.

No, you dont. Not any more that the Forge gets to dictates what is and isnt rpg-theory, or what is and isnt indie.

The "its not a real roleplaying-game" argument is a load of manure.

Abyssal Maw · August 09, 2007, 12:41:19 PM

Quote from: TempleAs I said, I took offense at the usage of the sapecific word "ignorant," which carries with it an assload of offensive meaning.

I guess that word could be taken either way.

If I say "I'm ignorant of shuffleboard." it means.. I've never played shuffleboard. I'm lacking in shuffleboard experience.

Abyssal Maw · August 09, 2007, 12:45:04 PM

Quote from: TempleNo, you dont. Not any more that the Forge gets to dictates what is and isnt rpg-theory, or what is and isnt indie.

The "its not a real roleplaying-game" argument is a load of manure.

Oh, no, I didn't say that, though. I'm willing to concede there is roleplaying flying all over the place. And heck, maybe there are even stories being created with predetermined moral messages and issue-tackling and whatnot. And LOADS of performance style improv theater going down! Totally concede all of that.

But are they games? I'm not convinced. I think some of them are despite themselves, but the more they adhere to the theory, the further they go from game.

And in this conversation we are talking about a theoretical "oughtta be like this- color as rules", and I see the idealized outcome of this particular "oughtta be" as not being a game at all.

Temple · August 09, 2007, 12:46:07 PM

Quote from: Abyssal MawOh, no, I didn't say that, though. I'm willing to concede there is roleplaying flying all over the place. And heck, maybe there are even stories being created with predetermined moral messages and issue-tackling and whatnot.

But are they games? I'm not convinced. I think some of them are despite themselves, but the more they adhere to the theory, the further they go from game.

And in this we are talking about a theoretical "oughtta be like this", and I see the idealized outcome of this particular "oughtta be" as not being a game at all.

What is a game then?

Settembrini · August 09, 2007, 12:50:52 PM

I meant it as in: "not knowing something, oblivious to".

When I´m insulting I say harsher words.

Temple · August 09, 2007, 12:51:45 PM

Quote from: SettembriniI meant it as in: "not knowing something, oblivious to".

When I´m insulting I say harsher words.

In my book, ignorant is a pretty harsh word.

Settembrini · August 09, 2007, 12:52:53 PM

Sorry. Have you got a replacement?

I´m blissfully ignorant of any

.

EDIT:

untaught
unknown
nescient
unaware
unillumed
uninformed

is any of these better?

Abyssal Maw · August 09, 2007, 12:55:03 PM

Quote from: TempleWhat is a game then?

If only we had started with this question.

I say a game is a recreational activity with rules, wherein an abstract goal or series of goals is actually contested.

And I think a roleplaying game is a particular iteration of that.

I think story games break thos because even when players are nominally "opposed" (perhaps even to each other) the goal ("story") is not contested, but rather collaborated upon.

Temple · August 09, 2007, 01:02:28 PM

Quote from: Abyssal MawIf only we had started with this question.

I say a game is a recreational activity with rules, wherein an abstract goal or series of goals is actually contested.

And I think a roleplaying game is a particular iteration of that.

I think story games break thos because even when players are nominally "opposed" (perhaps even to each other) the goal ("story") is not contested, but rather collaborated upon.

I actually define game as a collaborative excercise performed for the enjoyment of the participants, which follows a set of rules.

Temple · August 09, 2007, 01:05:01 PM

Quote from: SettembriniSorry. Have you got a replacement?

I´m blissfully ignorant of any .

EDIT:

untaught
unknown
nescient
unaware
unillumed
uninformed

is any of these better?

Instead of only swapping the word for another, try and rephrase your statement.

You could for example say that you dont think I know enough about the topic of our discussion, because of my limited experience with games of that genre. For example.

Abyssal Maw · August 09, 2007, 01:12:45 PM

Quote from: TempleI actually define game as a collaborative excercise performed for the enjoyment of the participants, which follows a set of rules.

Is a slot machine a collaborative exercise?

It IS a game. It's just a completely random one.

Is being in a band a game? Because being in a band is a collaborative exercise.