Not at all. Dead blog or not, this is extremely relevant today. This is our beef. We have yet to see anyone come out and say "yeah, all that crap from early 2006 where we were talking about how nobody actaully enjoys themself? We were wrong. Some of use were pretty fucking malicious. Yeah, I could totally see how that would offend someone."

By drawing attention to it, we might just get something worked out. Heck, I was surprised to see Balbinus say " they're extrapolating from shitty WoD games they played in the 1990s to the hobby generally, because they're idiots with self esteem issues."

I mean, thats the obvious answer. But I was shocked to see anyone lay it out like that, especially Balbinus.

Quote from: Abyssal MawNot at all. Dead blog or not, this is extremely relevant today. This is our beef. We have yet to see anyone come out and say "yeah, all that crap from early 2006 where we were talking about how nobody actaully enjoys themself? We were wrong. Some of use were pretty fucking malicious. Yeah, I could totally see how that would offend someone."

By drawing attention to it, we might just get something worked out. Heck, I was surprised to see Balbinus say " they're extrapolating from shitty WoD games they played in the 1990s to the hobby generally, because they're idiots with self esteem issues."

I mean, thats the obvious answer. But I was shocked to see anyone lay it out like that, especially Balbinus.

Too many years on rpg.net have clearly got in the way of my posting my opinions on the topic plainly.

Edit:  Why especially me by the way?  Do you tend to think of me as being on their side as it were?

The post I edited away said the same. But I have no energy to back that up, or argue about it. So, I´m totally with Balbinus and Abyssal here.

" they're extrapolating from shitty WoD games they played in the 1990s to the hobby generally, because they're idiots with self esteem issues."

Is also Punditry from 2005. And very true.

In regards to the self esteem issues, look at bankuei´s:

"I´m also brain damaged!"-comments on his link explanatorium.

I still think the Pundit has handled all this already, and we should move on.

The most obnoxious Forgers are WoD Storyteller rape victims, who want to blame their shitty games on other people and other peoples system.

That´s basically established fact. No need to discuss anymore. Let´s move ahead, let the self-loathers loath themselves.

Quote from: Abyssal MawDroog: Bullshit. I think it's fairly clear that Chris Chinn throws around words like incoherence and dysfunction all the time, conflates the two and has a vested interest in doing so, because at the time he had nothing much to contribute to the cult.

Dead horse, man. Get over it. And I even have some sympathy with your view of Chris. But let's also examine the lying, bombastic fool that is JB. Or let's not.

We've got something happening here and now. People keep on wanting to revisit RPG.net and the Forge, and various blogs, when beyond all expectations we're actually getting somewhere here. Let's not fuck it up.

Droog: Fair enough. As a fellow Carpenters fan, I must respect your wisdom.

(I was not trying to be sarcastic there! I just reread that. man. I am an ass. )

Quote from: droogWe've got something happening here and now. People keep on wanting to revisit RPG.net and the Forge, and various blogs, when beyond all expectations we're actually getting somewhere here. Let's not fuck it up.

Yes.  Very good advice.

All right! And on that note, I'm going to bed. See you all later.

As I said: Let the self-loathers loath themselves and move on.
There´s work to be done.

The Forge and RPG.net are only artifacts from the first part of this decade. They and their ideas have run their course. They are oxbow lakes.

Quote from: BalbinusAs I said, Chris is merely expressing personal prejudice against another style of play in a diagram, so as to make it seem somehow more objective.

What really pisses me off is that there are still valid bits in the diagram AND the blog. They're just twisted and shaped to produce the line of warped and hideous thinking the author wanted in the first place.

That Chris dude is doing a great disservice to open and productive discussions because every concept and terms he uses can be flagged as utter bullshit from now on (if it wasn't already due to similar nuts spewing similar garbage). And I believe some of the terms and bits can actually be useful, so that's a loss.

Quote from: JimBobOzOy, vey. This is what one Forger thinks of us "incoherent" gamers.

I'm sorry, this chart is simply useless. Where's the Freemasons? Where's the International Bankers? Surely there's at least some connections between GM Fiat and 9/11?

Quote from: BalbinusOver the Edge has a section on abusive players, Heroquest has a section of advice on how to punish players for in-character behaviour you dislike.  Not sure how if at all that supports the hypothesis.  Runequest has neither, nor Gurps, nor any version of D&D that I'm familiar with though I suppose 3.5e may, I've not read it.

Actually, there is a section in AD&D 1e, something we mentioned a while ago (link; someone also brought it up earlier in the same thread). The actual text is kept online by John Kim at this page

QuoteThey're basically ranting about White Wolf of the 1990s again aren't they?  That's really what they're talking about, their entire view of the hobby is based on some shitty vampire games played under a ruleset that is now out of print.

It sure seems that way from here, though really I don't have the slightest experience with WW games.

But as much as I'd love to go on, I agree with droog.

If someone comes here peddling that diagram as an accurate analysis or prediction of how "traditional" RPGs work, I'll shoot it down in a second. But I don't see a need to stir up fights over an old post in a dead blog.

I get the impression, the war is over, and JB fired a some guy who had already thrown his rifle away.

The last active swine I saw actually fighting, was eyebeamz in a ridiculous guerilla action over at ENworld.

http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=187184

And that´s like an old Japanese geezer sniping from the jungles till it´s 1968.

He´s still fighting for Storytelling, and tries to revise history. Like its 1992 again.

I now officialy cease firing in this war for lack of an enemy.

Quote from: SettembriniI now officialy cease firing in this war for lack of an enemy.

It was an imaginary war, but I'm glad you've decided to stop fighting....

Regards,
David R

Quote from: WarthurI'm sorry, this chart is simply useless. Where's the Freemasons? Where's the International Bankers? Surely there's at least some connections between GM Fiat and 9/11?

The Freemasons are implied by the inverted pentagon, which clearly represents the inverted pentagram used the the Eastern Star.  The International Bankers are clear the "Stuff that Matters" in the circle on top, since they pull all the strings.  And the connection between GM Fiat and 9/11 is clearly indicated by it's position between the two boxes on the left and right, representing the two towers, and at the tip of the pentagon, doing dual duty as, well, The Pentagon, and pointing to the box at the bottom which clearly represents the gold vaults beneath the World Trade Center.  Clearly, the diagram represents a conspiracy by the International Bankers, pulling the strings of the Freemasons within the Pentagon to attack the World Trade Center in order to get at the gold controlled by the Elders of Zion as an act of GM Fiat.  The attack on the Pentagon was meant to prevent suspicion about the true architects of the conspiracy, which is why the plane hit the most fortified side of the building.

Any questions?