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Base Mechanics of Forgie Games

Started by HinterWelt, March 11, 2009, 03:48:06 PM

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Quote from: Imperator;288793HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA

Dude, you always go a step further. I can't speak for anyone but me, so maybe there's a conspiracy and really those sites are actively sending agents here to laugh at your rantings or something, I don't know and I don't care.

Your suspicions are waaaaaaaaaaaaay off base, but that's something that only shows that you don't have nothing apart from trying to make people upset with personal attacks :) Like that time when you said that retarded thing about Spanish :D You're not even able to answer to the facts I'm presenting you to prove that your affirmations are false. You conveniently ignore them and try again the attack shit. Sorry, not working.

I spend my time here because I like the place, and many people here :) And fortunately, my work allows for that. Get over it. You're not the only guy who gets to freelance from home, or whatever you do for a living.

PS: On the right - wing ideology, I'm curious :D I'm a card-carrying member of the communist party since I was 16, though I'm more of an anarchist. Dude, just call me catholic and be done being wrong :D

Um, I that post you are referring to was a response to Cavscout, not you.

Your motive, as I said, is dick-waving.

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Quote from: Drohem;288799I must admit I am mystified by this decision.  Bill started this discussion in honest and open inquisitiveness. .

Let me see if I can clarify the reason: I had just stated, in a thread in the Help forum about this, that Forge-games, due to their not being regular RPGs, and due to the nature of Forgies to engage in active attempts to push their agenda on other forums, would be relegated to Off-topic.
Bill read that thread, and went on to start a thread about ALL the forge games he could think about, in the RPG main forum.

What is that if not an attempt to incite me? I will note that by page 2, you had the regular suspects using the thread to make attacks against me (Cavscout, Imperator) when I had not posted aside from saying I would tenatively allow the thread.

Had the thread been started in good faith, and had it proceeded to talk strictly about mechanics without diverging into either Forge Theory or ideological attacks/propaganda, I was willing to allow it; though I found it highly unlikely that a thread such as this would not go down those routes. I was quickly proven right, and the thread is now in Off-topic, where Forge-selling and Pundit-bashing belongs.

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Quote from: Imperator;288801It's not a question of attacking the Pundit. It's a question of answering what Bill asked, and also a question of demonstrating what those books say and what they don't. If that false claims had been made by any other person, I would have reacted the same way: showing proof for my position.

Uh huh. You just conveniently happen to follow me to every thread I post to in order to "facts check". :rolleyes:

Dude, unlike say, Droog, who has been here from day one without any purpose other than to try to cause trouble, you have in many occasions been a constructive poster on this forum. But your inability to just move on from this pointless quest to try to show me up is rapidly ruining that, and its really getting to the point where you're not about anything here anymore other than trying to argue with me at every turn. This is not really a productive direction for you to be heading into.

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Quote from: GrimGent;288803I suppose we aren't going to see a response to this, either, even in the light of those recent Gygax threads.

Amber, not being a Forge game, is kind of off-topic to this thread, don't you think?

If someone wants to start a new thread asking about the mechanics of Amber, they are free to do so.

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HinterWelt

#64
Quote from: Imperator;288851Same as in a trad game: create backstory and setting, judging on rules, playing NPCs, prepping challenges to the PCs.

Sorcerer and DitV haven't any similar currency. BW has Artha and some mechanics like that, but again, that's not unlimited here. But other persons may explain the artha use better than me.
hmm, if someone else has more to say on Artha that would be helpful.

Thanks Imperator.
Quote from: James J Skach;288862I will go on record as being completely against silly use of Karma and have gotten right up in his face about it, physcially...


...ok...well...really we jsut shot the shit one night after a GameDay...but...ya know, I have an Internet rep to keep up.

Oh wait...my pic is out there...so...nevermind...
Yeah, except I whipped your ass...ah, figuratively....unless you count that one time but then that was just between us...ah, I mean it never happened. :duh:
Quote from: droog;288882The role of the GM in Sorcerer is to play the demons (I personally find this to be great fun) and hit the chr with situations related to his kicker.

The kicker is where people may bridle a bit. A set-up for a game of Sorcerer goes typically like this:

1. GM has idea for game (Sorcerer is customisable to a large extent and there are no canonical settings). This should include colour and so forth but no plot.

2. GM pitches game to players.

3. Players create chrs, preferrably together rather than in isolation.

4. Players write kickers for their chrs. The kicker is basically your own reversed plot hook, which the GM is supposed to use.


Now whether that puts a game into the ranks of shared narration or not, I leave to the reader. The GM can do pretty much what he likes with the kicker, including saying "I don't think I can work with that."
Again, I think I am being dense or something. How do other folks make there characters? I mean, do you run off and secretly make dozens of characters then come to the table a say, "Here you bitch GM, I made a Dragonborn Lowrider! Deal!". I have always had players make up, at least the concept, at the table. Sometimes that means a lot of interaction and sometimes not but it always means everyone is making characters with the group in mind. Am I missing something here Droog? Is there more to it? I am not trying to say this is a bad thing on Sorcerer but more another example of codification of what other gamers have done in the past, a good practice.

Also, is it presented in the context of advice or is it actual codified rules;i.e. You receive 1 Kicker vs. It is a good idea to have a kicker.

Thanks guys. Very informative thread. Even you Skach. ;) Zombies this Gameday!

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Quote from: HinterWelt;288804Seriously? You are that afraid of discussion about the mechanics of these games. I expected more from you Pundit.

You're welcome to discuss the mechanics of these games as much as you like. This thread can go to 1000 posts for all I care.
It will just do so in the correct forum, here.


QuoteNow, for those of you reading along. No, I am not "flaming out". I am actually pretty calm about the whole thing. If you read the above with, as my 4 year old says, "Angry-Angry Voice"  then you missed the point. Reread with calm dispassion.

Now, if this is my last post here, let me say, I regret I have only one account to give the emperor. ;)

Yes, clearly you're being very adult about all this, what with having read a thread where I said something you didn't like, setting up a ruling you found questionable, and instead of arguing it in that thread or somewhere appropriate, your first response was to start a new thread in direct violation of the ruling that had been expressed (a rule that isn't new btw, its been here since the start of the forum in its current incarnation).  That, clearly, is the height of maturity.  :rolleyes:

Not to mention the whole setup for the martyr complex this post presents, very mature response.

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Quote from: joewolz;288826Why would let us not mercilessly mock these non-systems, Pundit?  

You can do so, and I gladly encourage you to, all you like. Right here on this thread, which isn't getting closed. Its just been moved to the right place.

QuoteDiscussing dice mechanics does not come across to me as pushing any kind of agenda, and I say, "Bad form, moving this to Off-Topic, terrible show, old boy."

Its the long-standing policy of this forum, both to move threads regarding Forge promotion to Off Topic and to not put up with petulant displays of intentional provocation.

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Quote from: peteramthor;288833Burning Wheel is a RPG.  Dogs in the Vineyard is a RPG.  Sorry Pundit but you are wrong here.  Been running games for almost two decades now.  Everything from AD&D to Vampire.  Your notions are making you look less intellegent than ole Professor Bat Wang over at the Forge.  Your threats and moving threads make you look more incapable than the moderators that banned you from rpgnet.

The only reason this thread went anywhere off topic at all is because of YOU.  You just did the ole rpgnet moderator flame bait.  Maybe you ought to change your name to RPGDARREN cause that's what your actions are looking like.

3/10 at best. A very sub-par attempt at character assassination on your part.

If I was like Ron Edwards, I'd have closed this thread and forbidden any debate on my positions.

If I was like an RPGnet Mod, I'd have banned Hinterwelt for his provocation, and at least a half-dozen other people who have posted to this thread.

Your argument holds no water, and the fact that you are allowed to make it is the very proof of that.

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Drohem

Quote from: RPGPundit;288902What is that if not an attempt to incite me?


In all seriousness, I honestly don't believe Bill is that type of person from what I know of his online persona.  I may be wrong, but I don't think so.

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Quote from: Drohem;288911In all seriousness, I honestly don't believe Bill is that type of person from what I know of his online persona.  I may be wrong, but I don't think so.

Then he made a mistake, and should admit it. But given that he basically admitted already that he had read my post on the Help thread about this, and was explicitly posting in reaction to that post, its hard to think that he somehow misunderstood the part where I said "these things should go in off-topic".

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James J Skach

Bill...you are so full of it...

I mean, your zombie game - it's all full. What, am I expected to perform that "special service" to get a "slot" at your "table"....again? ;)



Pundit, the perfect example of maturity, hiding his little identity behind this mask (a farce in and of itself) so he can spew vitriol and call people "poopy", calls Bill immature.

That's rich...
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HinterWelt

Quote from: RPGPundit;288906You're welcome to discuss the mechanics of these games as much as you like. This thread can go to 1000 posts for all I care.
It will just do so in the correct forum, here.

Are you trying to make a point? I said I am fine with the move. I am interested in discussing mechanics but you seem to want to lecture on ideology. So...stop reading the thread? Just a suggestion.
Quote from: RPGPundit;288906Yes, clearly you're being very adult about all this, what with having read a thread where I said something you didn't like, setting up a ruling you found questionable, and instead of arguing it in that thread or somewhere appropriate, your first response was to start a new thread in direct violation of the ruling that had been expressed (a rule that isn't new btw, its been here since the start of the forum in its current incarnation).  That, clearly, is the height of maturity.  :rolleyes:
You said:
Any real RPG, even if it is influenced by Forge theories, can be discussed on the main RPG forum.

Those are your words. Don't roll me into your delusions of persecution. I am discussion REAL roleplaying games here. If you do not want them discussed in the RPG forum you should post a sticky or such that says they are forbidden and PRECISELY why. You do not want to believe this because your position is weak (essentially, "I don't like the game") but these seem very much to be roleplaying games. That means that either the RPG forum is for discussing RPGs or they are for discussing RPGs you approve of. Now, the former is very different from the latter. The former includes a number of games. The latter includes a subset, one that you have to define.

Now, if your objection, and I am guessing here, is that players can influence the GM calls through rules in the system, then my games are subject and we cannot discuss HinterWelt games in RPGs. I think that is ridiculous as my games have been called more trad than trad. I would argue that Clash's use of Luck is similar. No more Flying Mice Games? Again, I would call that ridiculous. But your objection is not based on logic is it? It is based on your "persona". It is based on your emotional reaction. You have no basis for your argument other than "I said so". This is fine, but then your responses could be shortened to three words.


Quote from: RPGPundit;288906Not to mention the whole setup for the martyr complex this post presents, very mature response.

RPGPundit
Really? You threaten to ban me because, in your world, I have defied you. You then go on to accuse me of being a secret agent of the Forge. All this is reasonable and well thought out to you. Really? And you think I have the persecution complex...
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Quote from: James J Skach;288917Bill...you are so full of it...

I mean, your zombie game - it's all full. What, am I expected to perform that "special service" to get a "slot" at your "table"....again? ;)

Seriously dude, if you want to play I will make a spot at the table for you. There are only 5 spots right now but I could easily go to 8. I am making up caharacters left and right. I have on idea where the group is a troupe of Carnies...I don't know where these come from...

Anyway, I will have a bunch of spares and you are welcome to drop in. All the dice you will need will be 3d6s.
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Quote from: RPGPundit;288902Let me see if I can clarify the reason: I had just stated, in a thread in the Help forum about this, that Forge-games, due to their not being regular RPGs, and due to the nature of Forgies to engage in active attempts to push their agenda on other forums, would be relegated to Off-topic.
Bill read that thread, and went on to start a thread about ALL the forge games he could think about, in the RPG main forum.

What is that if not an attempt to incite me? I will note that by page 2, you had the regular suspects using the thread to make attacks against me (Cavscout, Imperator) when I had not posted aside from saying I would tenatively allow the thread.

Had the thread been started in good faith, and had it proceeded to talk strictly about mechanics without diverging into either Forge Theory or ideological attacks/propaganda, I was willing to allow it; though I found it highly unlikely that a thread such as this would not go down those routes. I was quickly proven right, and the thread is now in Off-topic, where Forge-selling and Pundit-bashing belongs.

Interpreted what he is saying:

If you had made a thread to attack and heap criticism on those games, I would have allowed it to remain in the RPG section!
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Quote from: RPGPundit;288906Not to mention the whole setup for the martyr complex this post presents, very mature response.

Clearly, that is reserved for Pundit... or is it "Defender of the Faith"... I always get confused on what Pundit is trying to claim he is doing.
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