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Alignment is Being Removed from DnD

Started by Thor's Nads, June 13, 2022, 09:41:36 PM

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Thor's Nads

#15
June 18, 2022, 04:58:08 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on June 18, 2022, 02:46:38 PM
5e has already removed alignment from any rules relevance. No more mechanics reference it. It's vestigial. This hasn't caused any problems to my knowledge.

"to my knowledge" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

Apparently you haven't seen the discussions on removing evil races from the game. Or the joke about changing the name of the Monster Manual to the Misunderstood Manual.
Gen-Xtra

BoxCrayonTales

#16
June 18, 2022, 10:57:35 PM
Quote from: thornad on June 18, 2022, 04:58:08 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on June 18, 2022, 02:46:38 PM
5e has already removed alignment from any rules relevance. No more mechanics reference it. It's vestigial. This hasn't caused any problems to my knowledge.

"to my knowledge" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.

Apparently you haven't seen the discussions on removing evil races from the game. Or the joke about changing the name of the Monster Manual to the Misunderstood Manual.
I have. I try not to pay attention to idiots.

At the end of the day, it's an elf-game about killing targets placed by the GM and getting XP and loot for doing so. Sometimes there are funny descriptions of flumps, lurkers below, sentient christmas trees, and so on.

FingerRod

#17
June 22, 2022, 08:14:37 AM
Your Devotion attribute reminds me a lot of what 5e did in the DMG with examples of Sanity and Honor. I think you could very likely see something close to that, at the very least, used optionally in future editions.

Law and Chaos are foundational in my campaign. It is a critical piece of my world building. And while I am sure I will monkey around with whatever edition comes next, alignment will play a central role even if not specifically given rules in the game.

If we are doing predictions, I still think alignment makes an appearance in whatever they have planned for us in the next year and a half. As mentioned above, likely as a optional rule padded with useless fluff to avoid upsetting the upsettable.

Wrath of God

#18
June 23, 2022, 06:32:45 PM
QuoteThe Sword & Sorcery and fantasy genres that inspired the early campaigns in general are rooted in the struggle of good and evil.

Are they? I consider S&S more about grey morality, antiheroes and general ruthlesness. Conan the Barbarian is pinnacle of S&S to me, and I do not see how his story is suddenly rooted in the struggle of good vs evil.

"Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon."

"And I will strike down upon thee
With great vengeance and furious anger"

"Molti Nemici, Molto Onore"

Thor's Nads

#19
June 23, 2022, 09:39:23 PM
Quote from: Wrath of God on June 23, 2022, 06:32:45 PM
QuoteThe Sword & Sorcery and fantasy genres that inspired the early campaigns in general are rooted in the struggle of good and evil.

Are they? I consider S&S more about grey morality, antiheroes and general ruthlesness. Conan the Barbarian is pinnacle of S&S to me, and I do not see how his story is suddenly rooted in the struggle of good vs evil.

Thulsa Doom wasn't evil?
Gen-Xtra

Spinachcat

#20
June 24, 2022, 06:38:29 PM
Anything that drives more players to the OSR, the better.

overstory

#21
August 21, 2022, 01:01:19 PM
Quote from: thornad on June 13, 2022, 09:41:36 PM
The next edition of DnD will get rid of Alignment.
. . .

It is almost guaranteed. The only people who truly believe in moral relativism are the chaotic evil ones.

BoxCrayonTales

#22
August 21, 2022, 01:36:48 PM
I feel like this is making a mountain out of a molehill. I think alignment as a mechanic is more trouble than it's worth. Just look at the countless arguments over alignment that have occurred within the community over the last 40 years.

If you want to have a Moorcockian cosmic conflict between order and chaos, that's fine and dandy. Don't fuck it up by shoehorning another axis of good and evil into it.

Ruprecht

#23
August 23, 2022, 05:49:13 PM
I've never been a fan of alignment, as far as the players are concerned.
I do like alignment as a general meta note of NPC and monster behavior though.
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing. ~Robert E. Howard

Black Plague Games

#24
August 27, 2022, 04:46:30 PM
Dungeons and Dragons nowadays is a joke.
Wizards of the Coast is a joke.

That's why I'm putting everything I got in a new (sword and sorcery) game.

HappyDaze

#25
August 27, 2022, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: Plagued on August 27, 2022, 04:46:30 PM
Dungeons and Dragons nowadays is a joke.
Wizards of the Coast is a joke.

That's why I'm putting everything I got in a new (sword and sorcery) game.
Let us know how that works out.

Black Plague Games

#26
August 28, 2022, 05:57:36 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on August 27, 2022, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: Plagued on August 27, 2022, 04:46:30 PM
Dungeons and Dragons nowadays is a joke.
Wizards of the Coast is a joke.

That's why I'm putting everything I got in a new (sword and sorcery) game.
Let us know how that works out.

I try not to read any sarcasm put into that comment, in which case I will do. (update that is)

;)

HappyDaze

#27
August 28, 2022, 06:11:47 AM
Quote from: Plagued on August 28, 2022, 05:57:36 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on August 27, 2022, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: Plagued on August 27, 2022, 04:46:30 PM
Dungeons and Dragons nowadays is a joke.
Wizards of the Coast is a joke.

That's why I'm putting everything I got in a new (sword and sorcery) game.
Let us know how that works out.

I try not to read any sarcasm put into that comment, in which case I will do. (update that is)

;)
No sarcasm intended. I wouldn't mind seeing a new S&S game, but I hope the reason for putting it out is more because of what it will be rather than what it will not be (i.e, D&D).

Black Plague Games

#28
August 28, 2022, 06:13:20 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on August 28, 2022, 06:11:47 AM
Quote from: Plagued on August 28, 2022, 05:57:36 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on August 27, 2022, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: Plagued on August 27, 2022, 04:46:30 PM
Dungeons and Dragons nowadays is a joke.
Wizards of the Coast is a joke.

That's why I'm putting everything I got in a new (sword and sorcery) game.
Let us know how that works out.

I try not to read any sarcasm put into that comment, in which case I will do. (update that is)

;)
No sarcasm intended. I wouldn't mind seeing a new S&S game, but I hope the reason for putting it out is more because of what it will be rather than what it will not be (i.e, D&D).

Well put. It started out in utter frustration and anger (not really, but you get my point). It's turning into a labour of love.

aia

#29
August 28, 2022, 09:14:48 AM
I am in the same position: i didn't know 5E banned aligment (and if it won't, the effect is likely the same)... I am writing a game where aligment is an essential feature of the characters and the is a heavy game mechanics which pivots on aligment.
I hope to be able to launch this new FRPG before the end of the year, at least in a playtest version and i am eager to hear any comment/critic on what i built.
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